Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Out of Cycle Update.
[00:00:03] I'm not laughing at you. I'm not laughing with you. But I am laughing. CryptoTalk FM. My name is Leister. I'm your host. I. Folks, I couldn't finish it. I couldn't even finish it. I was laughing today, hard. I couldn't keep it straight. It was so bad. I got. Let's see, how far did I get into this chaos? I got an hour in to this two hour fiasco.
[00:00:25] You know what's funny? I think it was even Anthony that called out and said. He said, I know that people think it's chaos, but. So they're listening to my shit at Crypto Talk fm because I use that term to refer to the project chaos. I've said it multiple times.
[00:00:40] This, what's called this is on the Black Bag Investors Channel and it's referred to as the quote, the great gurus get out of our project ama. So kudos to read first for the creative title. I'm going to give you that credit.
[00:00:53] I'm also going to give Reed credit for what he tried to do. He tried. But I also want Reed and Mark Hammond to resonate with what you did. Okay? Reid did everything he could to ask the hard questions straight to Turner's face in public.
[00:01:13] Because I said you got nothing to lose.
[00:01:15] This proved what I said was the truth.
[00:01:18] You had nothing to lose because what did you get out of it? Nothing. When you did it in private, what did you get out of it? Nothing. What changed when you did it in private? Nothing. What changed when you did it in public? Nothing. There's no difference.
[00:01:31] You always could have done this publicly. And that's why I called you guys out. Because this was what you should have done from scratch.
[00:01:37] Because if it was done early enough, it might have averted the disaster. Note also, Nick Vander idiot's not on this one and has not been on a couple of these AMAs.
[00:01:47] Do you know why? I don't know exactly why, but I can speculate why I said that. My thought was that Nick is the guy that's running shit, whether it's as a proxy for good on Kijiros or otherwise.
[00:01:59] It was the only thing that made any sense because Nick was coming out contradicting the CEO, calling him a liar. Nick was up front doing his own separate announcements of stuff that was going to go down. Nick's doing all this stuff, and then all of a sudden, Anthony's talking about taking over and Nick's nowhere to be seen. How can that be in this, Reid? You Did a great job using terms Guron Kijiros W Pro lanistar.
[00:02:26] You called out specific terms that have been bandied about. You called out the document which by the way was the reason they came after my channel with bullshit strikes and a violation of DMCA that are getting overturned by the way. They came after me because I shared that link that came from the Uncle Doug which I believe is the uncle block Dag in the chat. I believe it's the same person. If it is, shout out to you sir for that amazing thing you tried to do. And them bullshitters deleting your medium. You got advocates, myself, Binance stuff, scam alert. You got advocates and you, I saw your chats and you did a masterful job calling out the bullshit too. As Reed did. Reed did everything he could to pin them down. Pin him down. He did a great job.
[00:03:10] Turner, his reaction, it's like the frickin CIA or something. Like he just. I can't, I don't know. I didn't follow that. I have no answers even one point. Reed was talking about the W Pro and everything and Turner's like it's all conjecture. So I appreciate if we stopped talking about that. So it's one of those can we just move on? Can we just stop doing it? So now he's doing it. Why? Somebody's got his finger on Turner's nuts and that's what it is. Turner was shifty as hell. He was nervous as hell. He dropped multiple times.
[00:03:41] We say it's Internet connection maybe or maybe he had to dial off real quick and get be consulted by guroquistos as to how to respond to certain things. I can't say for sure. I'm saying that Turner had to drop at points. He looked shifty as hell and he gave non answers.
[00:03:57] That's what happened. The other thing Mark Hamed.
[00:04:01] The community should be absolutely livid at one thing Mark Comet did and he probably did some other garbage later. But I dropped but early. I'd say roughly about, I don't know, 50 minutes in or something. He said something to the effect of. And I'm paraphrasing. I know some people have said that we don't represent them but we took a survey and the quote consensus is that we want option four. He's speaking for you guys. Look in the chat you can play back the chat. There are people who don't want option four. Some people want option two, some people want refunds. The point is there's a variety of different selects that people want. There's no way they did this so called fucking survey to represent the community. They just went off the people who most represent the people that they like. That's what it is. That's why I said they don't represent you because there's no way they could because there are people. Why can't you accommodate all of them? Why can't you refund the ones who want to be refunded? It doesn't affect you, it affects your bag. I said they're only concerned about their bag. If they weren't concerned about their bag they would support people getting refunds if that's what they want to do. If you. And I've said that if you want to let them get out, let them get out. That's how you show good faith that you're not trying to rip people off. Turner said basically something I'm paraphrasing. They're trying to do the separation and, and they got a. And they're going to be given money after the fact and we'll take it on face. So I'm going to translate my interpretation of what re of what Turner's telling you.
[00:05:29] What Turner's telling you is that the money that you put in to the pre sale did not go to block dag. It went to a different organization. I don't even think it went to DAG Systems. I think it went to a different organization.
[00:05:42] That organization was using the money to support the marketing as well as all these other things allegedly. And then they were offering to funnel a portion of that money for the development of the block that on the front end side. Meaning that that 600 million. And the reason they were like $600 billion. So we're going to nick Reliance 600 million. The reason they were fixated on that is because whoever this back end organization is that's sitting behind it, I don't know if it's W pro but whoever it is, they have a dollar threshold they expect to receive for their services rendered.
[00:06:18] Blocked act probably doesn't need but a fraction of that money.
[00:06:21] But because they didn't have custody of it because Turner by his own admission said he was focused on the technical developments and not the financials. And because they don't have a cfo. Remember that other guy who was supposed to be the cfo and then he backed out and he said I never agreed to be part of it. They never had a CFO in the mix. Is that possible? Because whoever the back end organization that was that's there now precluded them from Having a CFO and said, you are not allowed to access the money. We're going to take care of the money and we'll basically pay you guys. So think of it this way. If this third party, whoever it is, contracted, these guys said, we're paying you to set up a blockchain for us. You're building our blockchain. We'll pay you a stipend. But we hone. We own the money, we hold the bag.
[00:07:06] Now, what Turner's talking about is, okay, yeah, we're going to do a separation. Don't. Basically, don't expect 600 million or 400 million to come across over there. It's going to be whatever crumbs that you expect to get, which somebody on the comments even alluded to that. It's going to be the crumbs passed over to you guys after the fact. I said to you, chances are your money is not going. The value is not going to be what you think it is.
[00:07:31] Because if I'm right, whatever that number ends up being, let's say they do pull this off, whatever that number ends up being, it's going to be a fraction of what it is. Now.
[00:07:41] That's what Turner's essentially saying. Because if he cannot, like, why would you not be able to confirm we're getting 50%, we're getting 75%. Why would you not be able to firm it up? Don't you know? He doesn't know because he wasn't part of it. Because it was out of sight, out of mind, because he focused on the tech and he trusted who. Whoever in the back finance stuff who was in the chat asked a valid question. Okay, who hired you? Who hired Turner? Right. That's a valid question.
[00:08:05] Nobody knows. Turner just showed up and he was presented as the founder. His name is as founder all over the place. He was presented as the founder all of a situation. But how can you be the founder and not have founded the financial. The marketing pieces? It doesn't make any sense. Which I said. Right.
[00:08:20] So somebody certainly recruited him into the role.
[00:08:24] Here's what I think, and this is my theory. I think Turner came up with the idea and the strategy to do something because he has background in doing things like this from other token projects. So he has some history doing it. I think he had. And Jeremy Harkness, I think they had the idea on the blockchain side. Specifically, I think they said, let's create this chain. Let's do a revolutionary chain. I think he was approached and possibly via Nick Vander, idiot I can't say for sure but whatever approached and said we'll help you, we'll back you, we'll cover the funding, we'll cover the money, we'll do a pre sale and we'll collect even more money to support what you're doing. So meanwhile Turner's off over here doing what he likes to do. This other org over here, they're just simply slipping money under the rug to themselves and they possibly have a stipend. And I'm going to guess, my guess, probably about 100 million of the 400 some odd that's out there. I'm going to guess about 400. About 100 million is going to be given over. If anything is given over, it's going to be about $100 million. Here's the truth. If no money's given over, remember I said these guys are going to be in trouble. You got people in the community talking about assassins and shit. You got Dr. Hurley, he's going to be Persona non grata. Everything's crashed and burned because of this silliness of how this was presented in and how it was put forward. All because they had to go this marketing and aggressive and the astronauts and all that that was going for months.
[00:09:52] This folks is why I was hypercritical of people not calling them out for the astronauts and everything. And why if you do the black DAG investors, why aren't you calling them out for some of this chaos prior to now? I don't think in my opinion Reid was very happy with responses. The non responses that he was getting, that's my guess. He didn't strike me as very happy is what he was hearing.
[00:10:15] I would expect the community should not be very happy with Markhamn telling you that essentially you were cross represented, you were default represented because they took some sort of a bullshit survey and those people who are there marks in their little midst agreed on four. And so they spoke for the rest of you. And I said to you guys and you did a great job in the chats and I appreciate you for this.
[00:10:39] You need to let them know. Now the last as I close this was stated as an ama. They may have gotten to the AMA questions at the tail end of the process. I don't think that was the right answer. I think you should have been addressing these questions all the way through. You might not have got an answer. Okay. But things like Binance stuff's questions were perfectly valid and should have been asked the moment they were posted and they were not. They kept talking about the tech and Kept talking about the blockchain and the mainnet and the hackathons. And people were getting pissed off about the focus on the tech because we know what the tech's gonna do or what stated to do. The money's the missing. And I think the reason they didn't do it, the read didn't do it, is because he realized despite his very strong attempt to get answers out of Turner, it wasn't going anywhere. Turner wasn't gonna. He wasn't gonna laugh. He wasn't gonna give. If that's not a red flag, folks, I don't know what is. That rhymes. So, folks, listen, this is easy.
[00:11:35] It's always been easy. It's been simple. Binance stuff's been warning you for months. I've been doing mine for a while.
[00:11:42] Scam alert's been doing his. It's easy, okay? And Mark Ahmed, you don't represent all of the community and the chat exposed you for that number one. And I would recommend that you course correct on your stance and show some respect for the community you say you represent.
[00:12:01] You got people who don't want the option that you arbitrarily selected for them.
[00:12:06] So you should advocate to support a refund option for those that don't want your option to instead of trying to speak for them. That's my ardent recommendation for you. That rhymes. I'm also going to say I said it before and I'm going to repeat it. I have no fucking idea what it is. I have no clue. I'm waiting for next 30.
[00:12:27] That's it. So I can try it out. Right? But you got so much smoke.
[00:12:32] Think about it this way.
[00:12:34] I'm closing. Think about it this way.
[00:12:37] Let's assume it's legit.
[00:12:39] Let's. At this point, there's questions, but let's assume it's legit.
[00:12:42] This AMA did not do positive to encourage people to buy more in.
[00:12:50] More money's not going to show. That means all you got left is to launch a damn chain. That's all you got left and hope that you get tokens.
[00:13:00] So I'll. This is my recommendation.
[00:13:03] My recommendation. And I know some of you won't like this. I'm not speaking for you. I'm recommending. I recommend you let go of a certain number of tokens. I think it's. I think it's way past that.
[00:13:16] I think you let go of it.
[00:13:18] I think you focus on the dollar amount you put in. I actually saw Chanel, one of the marks. Apparently she put 20 grand in this thing. I Have no idea why somebody would do that, but that's what she said.
[00:13:29] I don't think you're gonna get 20 grand. But let's say, let's say that they figure some of this out. I don't think you're getting 20 grand. I say focus on your dollar value that you put in and you should be able to see that in your dashboard.
[00:13:43] I would recommend your core focus now is to recoup that amount, get you back your initial investment.
[00:13:51] Don't focus on profits. Don't focus on 10x. Don't focus on to the moon.
[00:13:57] Don't focus on any of it.
[00:14:00] Focus on what does it take to get your money back? Why?
[00:14:05] Because at this point, that's not even a solid guarantee. And that should concern people, especially if you did not put money you're affording to lose. If it's true that Chanel put her last dollar in the shit, I hope not. But some people are gamblers that roll the dice. And I celebrate your right to do that. But hopefully people just put throw away money in it. If they lose it, it is because this AMA should have affirmed to you what people have been telling you all along.
[00:14:34] This is an absolute chaos. It's a chaos of, of a project.
[00:14:38] And I don't, I frankly don't think it's Turner's fault.
[00:14:43] I think it's Nick's fault. I think it's Nick Vander idiot. I think it was always Nick Vander idiot. I think he was the proxy for good on Quichelos. I think he was the one guiding things in a certain direction on his own because Nick by his own admission was not overseeing him. I think Nick just took it and ran.
[00:15:05] And here's your net result.
[00:15:07] Last Anthony admitted the minor manufacturers haven't been paid. So the miners they got is all they got. They have not paid for the 30s or the hundreds.
[00:15:18] How can that be? Vendors not being paid is a pattern.
[00:15:22] It happened with Dortmund, it happened with Inter Milan. It's a possibility. It happens with F1.
[00:15:28] Goes back to the whole Sean Kingston analogy, folks.
[00:15:32] You heard it straight from the horse's mouth. You don't have to trust me. Listen to that same guy who called himself a CEO. Tell you what you prior didn't believe.
[00:15:45] Second, I would encourage you to denounce Mark Comet.
[00:15:51] Reid has done. He has significantly improved. I have nothing but positive to say about Reid's coverage and his strategy in the way he is now doing it. Mark Comet, he is now your cancer. Because if Nick Vander idiot's out of the way. That's one down.
[00:16:05] Mark Comet is now your cancer because you should never have somebody who basically just says that your opinion ain't worth a damn and they go off hack cocked to do anything. I think he has the best of intentions but he's lost the plot. As they say up in the our friends in the uk.
