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[email protected]. you know, Leister has a lot to do. All of this chaos, all of this silliness, all of this childishness, all of this bs.
[00:00:28] I got stuff to do, you know, I don't have time to keep chasing down chaos. It feels like, it feels like the Saitama Scam syndicate is just back in business. That's what it feels like. All of this is just chaos. You know, not unexpected, not as bad as 2021, but still, it's chaos.
[00:00:50] Today's episode. I'm sorry up front. If you're new, welcome. If you're not new, I'm going to, I'm going to apologize up front, but trust me, it's a good learning opportunity to understand what not to do in crypto. I'm going to be talking about this article that was brought to my attention about the chaos that is Block dag and a write up that I thought was pretty good and what seems to be more investor turmoil, which I think is good given the target of said turmoil, at least apparent target.
[00:01:20] I'm going to talk about it because I think it's good. I'll talk about briefly what allegedly happened with Winter Mute, but I'm not spending a lot of time on that one because that's just a rabbit's hole. So let's dig in, you know, let's talk about it. I'm not going to talk too much numbers and no one on one this week, unfortunately.
[00:01:43] CoinDesk.com we're going to Zoom out to the month chart, start with Bitcoin and quickly talk about the major crap that happened over the past couple days and some of the, I don't even want to call them theories, but some of the messages that were floating around as to what was happening, some people speculated and blamed the President, President Donald Trump and the tariff. And I'm going to briefly just mention this was a retaliatory tariff of 100% above and beyond pre existing tariffs in response to China increasing tariffs on multiple countries.
[00:02:18] And allegedly there was going to be some communication between Trump and China with respect to getting the terrorists back under control. But the timing of that event then also correlated very closely to an event that happened on the Binance Exchange.
[00:02:33] What I was told happened is that one of their Market makers pulled out a bunch of their assets. Basically they self liquidated a bunch of their assets, pulled them out.
[00:02:43] And Binance, because they relied so heavily on this pool of assets, what was a lot of stops and limits were failing. You couldn't cash out, you couldn't sell out. And there was a bunch of liquidations that were occurring as a result of the inability to, you know, avert what was going on because of a lack of assets.
[00:03:04] Then this market maker bought back in at lower prices. That's what I was told.
[00:03:10] So assuming that's truly what happened, you might expect that everything is on the recovery. It's not what I see on the month chart. I do see a downward trend largely initiated by this event triggered on the Binance. Everything's back as far as trading capabilities, but the velocity is now from my lens in a downward trajectory.
[00:03:32] I don't know long term, if that's kind of a sign of the times, I would suspect that people knew, right, that the exchanges, you know, if you, it's not. If you leave it in your exchange, obviously that's risk number one. But also that the price that you have or your value is held hostage by what we've done to crypto because we trade it in that way. It's essentially a form of gambling. You can't really rely, you know, these like an FTX or a Gemini or something, they could fail and, and a lot of these assets are lost and it craps your value. And I speculated that it felt like we were going to be getting some sort of a crap out. And I still targeted 80,000 at the extreme. Like I didn't think we'd go for much lower than that, but it felt like we were going to go down. Hopefully. If you listen for a while and you've compared Leister crypto talk against some of these other YouTubers out there, you see, you know what these other people were telling me we're going to 150,000 and this guy Leister seems like he's more conservative and he told me that, you know, it felt like we're going to go down and it felt like there was some pain coming. He told us all this stuff and turned out to be the truth. And is he in Nostradamus and I'm not. It's sentiment. I felt it seemed like something's not right, especially because bitcoin still in that middle, you know, 110 to 120 range, it still is. It's been that range for a while and the length of time it was in that range felt abnormal and such that I suspected it could only go down before going back up. That's, that's all it was. There was no magic to it. There's no science to it. It was all sentiment of what I was feeling. All the other tokens other than BNB suffered at the same result. Like some of them went down almost like 70%, 80%. There was a large drop down of a lot of the other tokens out there as a result of what happened to bitcoin and to a lesser degree, ethereum. Meanwhile, ethereum went down, dropped beneath the 3800 range. It's recovered and ethereum feels like it's on an upward trajectory, but because it's still kind of paired a bitcoin at points, it's not strong and I don't know if it'll ustain.
[00:05:39] And then BNB, the theory that somebody had that some of the liquidations were being pumped into bnb, maybe that holds water. I don't know for sure, but maybe it does because BNB was. I, I did a video. Otherwise I said, you know, why is it that BNB is pumping right now? Got as high as almost 1400 bucks recently.
[00:05:57] It's back down now to the 1200 range in the middling and looking back into a downward trajectory. So once again, Lyster told you it felt like it wasn't going to last and it felt artificial and felt manufactured. Hopefully you're understanding what I said to be the truth. And I'm not Nostranomus. There's no magic to what I'm doing. It, I'm don't. I'm not an insider. I'm not part of the mob. It's just, I look at sentiment. I look at patterns too, but I look at sentiment in addition to patterns and then kind of throw out a spitball. And then I watch and the, the long game tells me a lot. You know, I watch and see, you know, there's something to this. And that's all it is. There's no magic science to it.
[00:06:38] Now, are we ready for the big. The big. The, the, the, the bear in the room, the big stuff that, you know, I've. I've done so much coverage of Block Deck so far. Not coverage, but just so much output, let's say on, on Block Deck. And I've been critical, hypercritical. I had a couple where I've been positive and it's like, I want to see more of that, but I've been hypercritical at points because, you know, I see all these things I felt like let before I get into what happened, I felt like it was. It made sense for me to bullet out everything that I told you was the truth so that you can measure what I say against what you see and what you saw.
[00:07:22] I said the marketing is bullshit's too aggressive. You know, the astronauts and all the countdowns and the codes and all that. So the marketing's garbage.
[00:07:32] I said that. You know, we like Dr. Hurley. I think many we, we think highly of Dr. Hurley. I think Anthony Turner has a good credential.
[00:07:39] I think Liza or Lisa, whatever, Vanderbilt. I think there's good people, resident and present in the project.
[00:07:49] I think the technology is sound.
[00:07:53] I think that they probably have something that they're going to do something with.
[00:07:58] But there's been failure after failure after failure with no accountability. And I said that the lack of communication is the problem.
[00:08:06] And to a T.
[00:08:07] There's now this split in the community and it's on one side you have the marks, Chanel and Re. You know, there's Mark, there's. There's people that are marks that they are not willing to be truly critical of the project and the team. They claim that they are, but they're not truly critical. They're cautiously optimistic. When I say truly critical, I'm saying that you call them out for their crap. That's what they don't do. And when somebody else does, those marks will attack anybody that is truly critical. And then they're inconsistent with their call outs because somebody else will be critical of it. And yet those people, for whatever reason, they get the, oh, that's fair.
[00:08:54] Mine's not fair. Even though everything I said is the truth, you may not like it because it's a little bit terse.
[00:09:00] I do that because it's the truth. The truth hurts.
[00:09:04] I get it. You got money in the stuff. You don't like to hear the truth. Somebody in my comments said they don't like to hear the truth. Yeah, that's the problem. You need to hear the truth because you're going to keep getting taken advantage of if you don't hear the truth.
[00:09:17] I was refreshed when I got wind of this medium post from person called Uncle Doug who presents himself as part of the black block that community, quote open letter to block that the community has had enough and has a very creative image with some person in prison, has fraud and handcuffs with a countdown final chance to be honest. The clock is ticking. Confessor face the fall.
[00:09:45] And it's talking about, you know, the things that this is a person that's really speaking on behalf of the community, not Read Mark. This is the kind of person that you need. This right here where they're directly and openly calling them out for the bullshit, not softballing, not bowing down, not kissing ass. They're straight up saying, look, here's what this is, okay? This needs to change. This needs to fix. We want answers, folks. This Uncle Doug person is who you need in the community. I saw Read Mark message the person on medium and the response that Uncle Doug gave was a little bit odd. It was kind of unexpected. And I'm not sure what it really means, if there's anything to it. I don't know truly, but I suspect. I don't know, but I suspect that there's something going on between the two of them that I'm not, you know, privy to. I don't know.
[00:10:45] I don't know.
[00:10:46] Maybe they're aligned.
[00:10:49] I don't know.
[00:10:50] But I'm going to ignore Reed Mark.
[00:10:55] Apparently Reid Mark wrote up a letter on behalf of their ll CEO letter on behalf of the investors. I didn't see it, so I'm not going to reference it. So I don't know whatever that's doing.
[00:11:07] But the response is doing something that implies that there's something going on between them that may be not what Reid Mark wants. I don't know for sure. And there's a couple other people that are calling out saying you can't call any services. And allegedly, then Reid Mark is pitching a bunch of products, shillings and products.
[00:11:30] I looked at that. There's a shop that was allegedly set up by Reed Mark and allegedly selling the block dag x10 miner, block dag x30 miner and block dag x100 miner.
[00:11:45] Now, how is it possible that this is acceptable? How is it possible that this person is able to sell these miners?
[00:11:53] If the. If. If Reed Mark is not an insider, how is it that they're able to sell these. These products? That's the question, right? If they're not an insider, I'm asking the question, if they're not an insider, how are they able to sell minors? That's all I'm asking and I want you to answer it. Don't come at me. Just answer the question and see if you have an answer. Let's hear it. A non mark answer is all I'm saying. But this Uncle Doug, there's. So there's messaging around this Guran Kizilos person and there's been a bunch of mentions that this person was at some Point involved in the project early on. Their name was then scrubbed on all sources. Allegedly. If you mention it in telescam, it's a banned word. You might get muted, whatever.
[00:12:39] Somebody else then wrote up this document. And it's a pretty lengthy freaking doc. 54 pages. It might have been Uncle Doug himself, or it might have been a collaborative between multiple people. The point is that they captured a bunch of screenshots of stuff, and it has issues like the Barisha Dortmund fallout and their screenshots, allegedly from a message that was exchanged between Anthony Turner and somebody that Anthony was coordinating with with respect to getting payment over to Inter Milan.
[00:13:12] And allegedly this intermediary, this third party, was supposed to be the go between to get the money to Inter Milan. And that's the precedence for the fallout of the Inter Milan relationship, where because they didn't get paid, they had sent an invoice saying, you need to pay us. And then because they didn't pay, it fell out.
[00:13:32] And there's a message, an email from Anthony Turner. And I don't know how they got access to this, but allegedly Anthony Turner was talking about there was issues with payment because of the size of the payment, and the bank was putting them through hoops because basically the bank flagged it.
[00:13:49] Now, this isn't unusual, right? If you. Certain banks, especially with Swift pay, certain banks will flag transactions due to the size because, you know, they think it's fraud or they think it's like criminal enterprise or whatever. So they. They screen it and fraud it. But there's also this other aspect where people will fake. This is out in the news where people will fake a Swift transaction. I challenge you to do some search on Sean Kingston. S E A N Kingston, singer, rapper.
[00:14:21] And I'll. I'll give you a hint about Sean Kingston.
[00:14:26] Sean Kingston, his mom allegedly was doing this thing where they were talking to these wealthy people trying to get these products like jewelry and cars and stuff, and then they would promise a wire was on way. So Swift is basically a wire. They promise a wire and they would steal this wealthy stuff and these idiots would give him all this wealthy stuff without the payment, or they give it to him before the payment and eventually got caught up. So Kingston basically went to prison because of this whole fiasco. This exchange is very similar in what it's describing. This idea that we get this thing in advance of the payment and then we make a promise over wire, and then the wire never shows up.
[00:15:11] I'm not accusing them of defrauding. I'm saying that that's the allegation is that payment was supposed to be made, the invoice was sent out allegedly saying that you didn't pay. Anthony Turner is then saying there was problems because of the bank, but a wire is going to be on the way.
[00:15:29] I'm not sure what to think because again, there are situations where the bank would flag due to the size of the payment when you pay via Swift pay, especially if they were in a country where they were not, you know, like we knew about the Seychelles issues, right. If they're in a country where they're not full vetted, then you're going to run into problems.
[00:15:47] My question on that one would be, okay, let's say that they weren't able to get that done.
[00:15:52] You're not able to do the Swift pay for whatever that is. They could have written a check. I know that seems weird and seemed old school and whatever the f, but like there's like in, in sports, sometimes they just write a straight check because the size of it, like when you write a check, it's less likely to open scrutiny depending on the bank, but it's less likely to open scrutiny than wire. Because wire, you're, you're doing a communication, you're telling the bank this money's free game, but if it crosses international borders, it's going to be flagged over certain amounts because they're, they're thinking it's a criminal enterprise or something. So I'm saying that it wouldn't surprise me if the bank truly did flag a transaction that was happening and they struggled to get the payment out, but there were other ways they could have paid it. And I'm questioning why they didn't do that. And I'm questioning why they didn't get all that sorted out at the onset of that relationship. Like why did they take so dang long to fail it out? I don't know that answer either.
[00:16:53] And then why did they give up? Like, why didn't they keep trying? Why was there no additional attempts? I'm not really sure.
[00:17:00] So then there was some message talking about that, okay, here's what we got. And apparently the bank is Barclays. I got that much information. But there was some sort of a proof of payment being sent and the theory that it might have been modified, that it's fake. So again, more smoke, more questions, more uncertainty about what's going on.
[00:17:21] Then there's more communication about the inter. Talking about, okay, hey, look, we're sure you're working on this. We know the banks are having issues, but the Payments, you know, we put terms of the payments in a certain category because of the risk of blockchain, and we flagged on our side and why we required it to go through these hoops because basically we don't trust you by default and we understand you got to jump to some hoops. And so we're working, but you need to pay and show proof of payment so we can work with our partnership team to start this.
[00:17:55] Well, to start it. Does that mean that they posted. They meaning the blockback team posted all that stuff on the site before they had even got the partnership done? Is that what they're saying? That they talked to somebody on the phone or something? That's kind of unusual. It's kind of weird.
[00:18:11] Then there's a response, allegedly from Anthony Turner. And it said, and this is the key. This is what started this chaos. And this is what says, quote, I'll get you both receipts. One is from my family trust account, keys Law's fami, which is spelled wrong purposely. Office licensed in the uk. Stop.
[00:18:33] Wait a minute.
[00:18:34] Anthony Turner says from his family trust account, Kezila's family office.
[00:18:43] Wait a minute.
[00:18:45] The way that's worded makes the. Gives the impression. I'm not accusing, I'm saying the way it's worded gives the impression that Anthony Turner is related to Gorhan Kisilos.
[00:18:56] Because it says family trust account.
[00:18:59] Well, that's kind of odd. And I figured I would do some digging to try to see can I prove that, can I validate that, can I vet that? Is there any evidence of this happening or what the hell's going on here?
[00:19:10] I couldn't find any sort of intersection between Guran Kizilos and Anthony Turner directly outside of the mentions in some of these screenshots in this document that make reference to a director.
[00:19:23] Like there's one email that says that there was a.
[00:19:26] Apparently he was waiting on a director to arrange the payment and it went south. And this was after he was seen. This is where he was photographed on the field for Dortmund. And this fallout of them not getting paid. And Turner's basically saying, well, somebody else screwed the pooch. And because it couldn't get solved at the bank level, they chose to cancel the payment.
[00:19:49] So the Dortmund fell out because they could not, allegedly could not pay and then eventually couldn't get it sorted out, so they just canceled the payment and walked away from it and couldn't make it work. Well, that means that the same thing could happen with this BWT Alpine.
[00:20:08] In theory, the same kind of thing could happen where you could just have it fall out again.
[00:20:12] And you can't really trust these partnerships because if they're putting partnerships up on the site that are not fully vetted for why ever they're not, it means that something could go south again. And that's a risk for anybody because if you're buying in because they're telling you that this is happening and this partnership's a done deal and it's not a done deal, that's a big problem.
[00:20:32] There's a section that talked about this million dollar giveaway. I didn't see this one, but people were talking about it that apparently the giveaway was in BDAG tokens, it wasn't in USDT as was the stated message.
[00:20:45] But this doesn't surprise me because like the Thorium team, they did the same thing with Libero. They were doing the giveaways and, you know, the Lamborghinis and all that. And he said, yeah, it's going to be. And I did a coverage. I said, they're telling you in the fine print that they're going to be giving this to you in liberal tokens and they're going to lock it in the bank. So you're not really getting cash, you're just getting an equivalent value. If they're giving VDAC tokens, that means there is no real value.
[00:21:12] So then questions came up about, and there were other things like raffles and stuff, but the questions came up about the tokens and people were like, well, how are you doing a Pre sell for 50 billion tokens? But there's a total 150 billion in the supply.
[00:21:28] And I said that they set aside the 50 billion tokens, but because there's a total of 150 billion, there's no way they're going to be able to sustain a price of $0.05 on launch. It's like not going to happen.
[00:21:41] It might hit that after, you know, whales, right, they're going to. It launches and then whales dump out. It's not going to sustain. That's why it's going to pump and dump, because of how much token supply is going to be out there. That's dilution.
[00:21:56] Some of the tokens are held by the, you know, the pre sale, but some are also by the team. Some are going to be given to exchanges, liquidity. So we knew that they had to have an excess of supply. I simply said there's no way you're going to be able to sustain that price given that you have a higher total and I think a lot of people didn't notice that that total was significantly higher or what's doing it talks about the divesting, the zero vesting, the constant promos like the document's very thought out is very well thought out, very detailed.
[00:22:28] And then this Uncle Doug, I'll even quote some of this here because I think it was good quote. Let's we know more than you think we know. Let's drop the pretense. We know about the adjacent rooms in the Seychelles. 302 and 303. Pause.
[00:22:43] So this goes to. I was doing some digging and and I don't know if it specifically was say shells. I'll take it on face that it was, but I know I had seen there was some sort of an address. I think it was DAG Systems and perhaps it was say shells that talked about an address in 302. And then there was a next door and it was another token, something it was right next door. And then there was messaging from the past that said that this Guran Kislu was somehow associated to this same location.
[00:23:15] And I don't remember if it was 302 or 303, but I remember there was something that said that that person was somehow associated with that same.
[00:23:22] We know why certain names trigger instant deletion in your Telescam channels. We know about the Dubai connections, the recycled playbooks, the pattern of ventures that ended badly for investors while enriching a select few to g.
[00:23:36] Yes, we're addressing you directly now. He's referring to this Guran Kizilos person. Your involvement isn't the secret you think it is. The censorship of your name only confirms what investigative reports, blockchain analysis and pattern recognition have already revealed. Your marketing playbook might have worked before, but this time you're dealing with a community that's documented everything. Anthony, Jeremy, Nick. We want to believe you're trying to build something real. The test networks, the technology has merit. But every step forward is obliterated by marketing tactics so aggressive, so manipulative that they scream fraud to anyone paying attention. Either you've lost control of your own project or you're complicit. Neither option is acceptable. Then he talks about a read mark and again the letter that alleged it was put in. I'm going to skip over that one because it doesn't matter. And then he gives a bunch of options, questions that he wants answered, this Uncle Doug, which I thought was good. All these are very good, valid questions to ask. I don't think he's going to get Any answers and he gives a deadline of October 30, end of day, October 30, talks about if we don't get it, you're going to get complaints to the doj, sec, FTC and FBI in the us, fca, SFO and Action fraud in the uk, Regulatory bodies in the EU where he's. Where they've marketed in the eu coordinated media campaign exposing every detail that's documented. Class action lawsuits in multiple jurisdictions, criminal complaints and jurisdictions where flawed charges apply. This isn't a threat, it's a promise backed by thousands of investors who have nothing left to lose. So stop. So you know, if Uncle Doug hears this, I'm going to say it this right here. And what they're saying is exactly like that idiot that was talking about, why don't you delete this?
[00:25:12] This is why we don't delete. We don't delete because we need to document the journey. Because I said if it turns out to be a crap, we need to have this documented, we need to collect and we need to say here's what was true at these point times. So I guarantee you that if something does happen on this, which I don't know if it will, but if something does, somebody's going to reach out and they're going to say, okay, I'm seeing this person collect up this information. Here's the information that they observed and here's what they stated at that time. And I got obviously date stamps on the shit, right?
[00:25:49] That's to help the community.
[00:25:51] I know some of you don't understand that the ones I refer to as marks, you don't understand.
[00:25:56] Hopefully you do understand if you read this, and you should read this because it's very well written.
[00:26:02] You have to understand how this works. You, how this works is you take people who are actually critical and we document binance stuff. He has date stamps on his. He's documented things, he's observed, he's got screenshots, I've got some, but he has way more than I do. He's actually gone through and captured a lot of stuff. I've captured some stuff too, but he's done way more than I have these. This is what you're supposed to do, okay?
[00:26:30] We document what we see at certain points in time so that it cannot be deleted and hide their tracks and then run away because if it turns out to be something crapped out, it's a big problem.
[00:26:43] I can't tell you whether this gurus is associated with the project. I have no idea. I See inklings that the person probably was associated with the project because I see the name on the Dun and Bradstreet.
[00:26:57] I see the name associated with that address, which I think is 302, if I recall. I don't know for sure. And I see the name on Anthony Turner's own email, the last name, talking about a family trust, which is really strange. Right?
[00:27:11] I see the. My director was handling it. Who's the director? We don't know who that is. That person's not on the site by that title, who could that be referring to?
[00:27:19] My point is that we all the critical ones, we document these things. All of us, we document it. That's what you're supposed to do. And I'm glad that this person, Uncle Doug did this. And I'm glad that certain of the community is truly critical and not just blind faith like some of these other ones. Numb nuts. This is good.
[00:27:40] This is really good. And I don't know what's going to happen as a result. I can tell you that the ama, Nick Vander idiots ama, because they did. Uncle Doug did another one, I think a day later or two days later, whatever, talking about the hey, tomorrow ama. This is your last chance to do it. He put out this document that I was citing from saying your ama. You better answer these questions. He didn't. Nick didn't answer every question that's there. There's a lot of questions that were not.
[00:28:05] There were some that were.
[00:28:07] So the one thing that Nick did answer was I talked about in my short that I just did a little bit where he admitted, okay, we've only done 500 miners. Even though they promised you tens of thousands, right?
[00:28:20] They said 19,000 units shipped. Okay, that's on their site. 19,000 shipped.
[00:28:27] Nick just admitted there's only 500 in the wild. Okay, how could it be shipped versus only 500? And how could there be such a disparity? I'll tell you how.
[00:28:37] They have worked with a logistics company that doesn't know what they're doing.
[00:28:42] Either that or it's a phony number. I don't think it's a phony number. I, I don't. I think they do have that number given to the logistics, but the logistics partners are screwing up. That's what I suspect. I suspect that who they chose because he said dhl, I know is used for some stuff and they said they're doing a one by one by one. Well, DHL doesn't really work that way. Not, you know, he. In bulk, they send them in bulk. They process them in bulk. It doesn't take them that long to do it. So I suspect that there's a bunch of logistics issues where they did hand over a significant amount. But chances are they they're running into problems getting them to certain countries for why ever that is the case. Or it could be that it's all fake. I'm saying that chances are they tried to process a bunch and they're running into problems and they're just not admitting what they're screwing up and the fact that they picked the wrong provider to do it. And my guess is they cheaped out like they went with the lowest price possible on the logistics side instead of paying the right money to make sure it's done right.
[00:29:45] My theory is backed up by, you know, evidence. You can see some of the videos. They're all scratched up. Some of these devices are already scratched up. They're already used. And some other people said they're just reprogrammed like thermostats or something.
[00:29:58] And they may not actually be mining anything. They're just authorizing the app to increase the throughput. And we don't even know what that's mining. There's a lot of unanswered questions. I think that's fair. And nick did confirm 500 in the wild. Well, how can you have such a disparity? It's the question.
[00:30:13] The whole deal of the raffles and everything and they're sending VDAC tokens. That was open thing. The numbers don't make sense. I did that on the block deck math. I, you know, like I'm putting out a whole bunch of stuff and I get attacked. But it's like, dude, at some point you gotta look your own investors in the community are saying the same I'm saying mine is simply to document what I see, to do my part to try to help you guys out. I'm trying to help you guys out. I don't know what the it means. I have no idea. I'm simply documenting it. Because if it turns out something you have that now it's another source, right? Somebody else is observing this stuff. Multiple people are observing it and we're not able to get answers. I would love to answer the questions more than I have, but I'll tell you that, you know, arguably they've done a passably good job at covering whatever this kizilos business is. They've covered it very well. Whoever has covered it very well. I can't connect the dots. The whole family trust thing is a real Red flag for me, I'll tell you that. Because it's Anthony himself saying, my family trust, Kizilos.
[00:31:19] How can that be?
[00:31:21] There's only a couple explanations to that as I wrap up.
[00:31:25] Option A.
[00:31:27] If.
[00:31:28] Let's speculate. I found the photography for Kyzylos and his wedding, and allegedly that was done by a firm called Lois Turner Photography.
[00:31:41] Is it possible that Anthony Turner is related to Lois Turner?
[00:31:47] Is it possible that somehow. I don't know how Lois Turner is somehow related to either the Gizylos or the person that he married? I don't know.
[00:31:59] Is it possible that Lois Turner is married to somebody else in the Kizilos family?
[00:32:05] Because when you say family trust, that would imply that someone on the Kizilos side was super wealthy and made money available to Turner, which would imply either a sibling or a, you know, a child relationship. Right.
[00:32:23] So I'm saying that Anthony's email, that screenshot, if it's legit, I don't know if it is, but if it is, would seem to imply that there's some connection between Turner and Kizilos. We just can't. I can't find what that connection is.
[00:32:37] And all the other stuff that they're not saying saying is worse than what they are saying, which I've said multiple times. Okay.
[00:32:46] Once again, I do it because it is another source of that information. It's out there to help you. I don't know what it means. I have no idea. I have no clue what it means. I don't go to the Telescam, so I don't care about their bands on the name. It doesn't matter to me. Who cares?
[00:33:04] Mine is simply a source so that you can make your own choice about what it is.
[00:33:09] And the reason I ignore the marks, and I think you should too, is this here.
[00:33:14] The. This is what you need. You need somebody who's directly critical. Not rah rah positive.
[00:33:22] You need somebody who is directly critic critical of what they're doing. And this Uncle Doug is perfect for that. Not Reid Mark, whatever he's doing, in silence, whatever he's doing, the llc, CEO, it doesn't matter. It's this. I put it public. I write it up. I directly confront them about what it is. This is what you need. And I'll share the link to this because I do think you need to read these two. Because it's. It's very, very good, Very good reading. It is a bit lengthy, but it's worth the read. If you're in this project.
[00:33:55] It's worth the Read.
[00:33:57] And if you're not in this project, but you're in some other project that's similar, it's worth the read.
[00:34:03] I have no idea what it is. That's why I'm telling you. That's why these things exist. That's why these write ups exist. Because we don't know what the hell it is because they're not transparent about it. And Nick's message just makes it worse. That's what I'm saying.
[00:34:17] Nick's makes it worse. His makes everything worse.
[00:34:22] You're not going to get. I don't see that you're going to get anything substantive out of this. I don't see that they're going to produce. I think it's going to be the same thing. And I speculate it's Nick that's the real blocker. Whether that's pressure from somebody else on him.
[00:34:40] Right. Or it's him direct, I don't know. But I'm telling you that Nick is the barrier to getting the answers that you seek.
[00:34:48] As long as he's in the mix, I don't think I get the answers. If somebody can track down the other gentleman, the one who's supposed to be the cfo, maybe he's willing to say something. I don't know. And note, we've not seen Dr. Hurley, since these are all open questions that are worth answering. Allegedly is going to be a true ama. I believe it's the 23rd. If I saw that. Allegedly. I don't know if that's true. That's the email. That's what it said. But the. The one from Nick.
[00:35:14] Here we are again with the CMO speaking on behalf of the organization and the CEOs. Nowhere to be seen, folks.
[00:35:22] I don't know what it means. I'm telling you that it's very shady. I'm telling you that it's problematic and I'm telling you should be concerned long term. But some of you need to stop talking about deleting stuff. Number one, some of you need to stop acting like Marx because you're hearing your own investors say the same shit that I've been saying.
[00:35:43] Number two. Number three, at the end of the day, I still. I have never said it's a scam because I don't know, I've simply called out these flags. They are flags. I don't care what you say. They're gonna. They're flags and they're gonna be flags until they're more transparent. And the things that Uncle Doug has called out that they should be doing.
[00:36:03] Same stuff I've been saying. Who's right and who's wrong, Sam.
